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		<title>By: 300 Years, 30 Days &#8211; different battle, same war</title>
		<link>http://creatingmotherhood.com/2008/06/25/30-days-was-hour-long-disappointment/#comment-133810</link>
		<dc:creator>300 Years, 30 Days &#8211; different battle, same war</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has further discussion about tonight&#039;s episode of 30 Days, which chronicled Kati&#039;s month-long stay with Tom and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://creatingmotherhood.com/2008/06/25/30-days-was-hour-long-disappointment/#comment-13311</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh. As I sat watching the show all I could think to myself was &quot;Kati, you can just go f*ck yourself.&quot; Not exactly raising the conversational bar, but I&#039;m so tired of idiots expounding on how evil BGLT individuals (and their families) are. I am always amazed at the degree to which people care about the personal love lives and familial relations of other people. I cannot think of any other thing that has so little to do with public opinion and yet is so squarely in the public debate. I have not lost friends over this issue because the minute I hear anything remotely homophobic, my eyes glaze over and I disconnect from the conversation and any potential for friendship. My partner is now male, but I carry the wounds of bigoted comments from my times with female partners. I think because people assume I am heterosexual (I am married with child, after all) they can let go with horrific statements since I&#039;m not like &quot;those people.&quot; But I am those people. Makes my blood boil. 

And hi. I&#039;m delurking. I&#039;ve been reading your blog for some time now. I suppose this was the thorn that finally stuck me in the ass and prompted me to say hello. So... hello!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh. As I sat watching the show all I could think to myself was &#8220;Kati, you can just go f*ck yourself.&#8221; Not exactly raising the conversational bar, but I&#8217;m so tired of idiots expounding on how evil BGLT individuals (and their families) are. I am always amazed at the degree to which people care about the personal love lives and familial relations of other people. I cannot think of any other thing that has so little to do with public opinion and yet is so squarely in the public debate. I have not lost friends over this issue because the minute I hear anything remotely homophobic, my eyes glaze over and I disconnect from the conversation and any potential for friendship. My partner is now male, but I carry the wounds of bigoted comments from my times with female partners. I think because people assume I am heterosexual (I am married with child, after all) they can let go with horrific statements since I&#8217;m not like &#8220;those people.&#8221; But I am those people. Makes my blood boil. </p>
<p>And hi. I&#8217;m delurking. I&#8217;ve been reading your blog for some time now. I suppose this was the thorn that finally stuck me in the ass and prompted me to say hello. So&#8230; hello!</p>
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		<title>By: Geohde</title>
		<link>http://creatingmotherhood.com/2008/06/25/30-days-was-hour-long-disappointment/#comment-13307</link>
		<dc:creator>Geohde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly issues like this, politics and religion all seem to have in common that people very rarely change their minds.

It often feels like bashing the proverbial cranium against a brick wall conversing with someone who is philisophically opposed to same-sex parenting.

I don&#039;t know what it takes to change minds....

J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly issues like this, politics and religion all seem to have in common that people very rarely change their minds.</p>
<p>It often feels like bashing the proverbial cranium against a brick wall conversing with someone who is philisophically opposed to same-sex parenting.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what it takes to change minds&#8230;.</p>
<p>J</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://creatingmotherhood.com/2008/06/25/30-days-was-hour-long-disappointment/#comment-13301</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What bothered me most about the show was not what happened with Kati, but what happened with the production of the show. How could they have an anti gay bigot spout WRONG facts about same sex parents and not counter it with....I dunno, a social scientist or other researcher. How far did they look for the woman with the abusive gay dad? The part that really bugged me was the visit to the sperm bank. Morgan Spurlock makes some masturbation jokes (how clever!) and talks about how sci-fi everything is. He also refers to the sperm as &quot;baby daddies.&quot; It just seemed disrespecful and unnecessarily sensationalist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What bothered me most about the show was not what happened with Kati, but what happened with the production of the show. How could they have an anti gay bigot spout WRONG facts about same sex parents and not counter it with&#8230;.I dunno, a social scientist or other researcher. How far did they look for the woman with the abusive gay dad? The part that really bugged me was the visit to the sperm bank. Morgan Spurlock makes some masturbation jokes (how clever!) and talks about how sci-fi everything is. He also refers to the sperm as &#8220;baby daddies.&#8221; It just seemed disrespecful and unnecessarily sensationalist.</p>
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		<title>By: Paranoid</title>
		<link>http://creatingmotherhood.com/2008/06/25/30-days-was-hour-long-disappointment/#comment-13292</link>
		<dc:creator>Paranoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rats.  I went and commented on the original post mentioning the show.  If you all don&#039;t mind, I&#039;m going to cut and paste my comment here.  Reading through this post and comments, it seems like a lot of people reacted to the show similarly to me:

I watched it, and thought it was terribly sad. How difficult it must be to go through life determined to keep your mind and heart closed to anything that goes against what you “know” is right. Throughout the hour, you could see Kati struggling to reconcile her beliefs with what she was seeing in front of her. Time and again, she chose to retreat into her cozy little beliefs rather than face a new truth.

The only part that really made me mad was her absolute refusal to understand why her beliefs and actions are offensive to others. One of the dads did, I thought, a good job of explaining why he has no problem with her thoughts, but a big problem when those thoughts became actions that threatened his family, but she simply refused to understand. Normally, I’d give someone a lot of credit for at least trying to live outside of his/her comfort zone, but here it seemed that Kati went on this show only to prove that she couldn’t be moved, even by compelling evidence and arguments. Why did she even bother?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rats.  I went and commented on the original post mentioning the show.  If you all don&#8217;t mind, I&#8217;m going to cut and paste my comment here.  Reading through this post and comments, it seems like a lot of people reacted to the show similarly to me:</p>
<p>I watched it, and thought it was terribly sad. How difficult it must be to go through life determined to keep your mind and heart closed to anything that goes against what you “know” is right. Throughout the hour, you could see Kati struggling to reconcile her beliefs with what she was seeing in front of her. Time and again, she chose to retreat into her cozy little beliefs rather than face a new truth.</p>
<p>The only part that really made me mad was her absolute refusal to understand why her beliefs and actions are offensive to others. One of the dads did, I thought, a good job of explaining why he has no problem with her thoughts, but a big problem when those thoughts became actions that threatened his family, but she simply refused to understand. Normally, I’d give someone a lot of credit for at least trying to live outside of his/her comfort zone, but here it seemed that Kati went on this show only to prove that she couldn’t be moved, even by compelling evidence and arguments. Why did she even bother?</p>
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		<title>By: Bree</title>
		<link>http://creatingmotherhood.com/2008/06/25/30-days-was-hour-long-disappointment/#comment-13290</link>
		<dc:creator>Bree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was disappointed too.  The thing that gets me?  Having to admit to myself that there ARE people out there who can&#039;t be &quot;converted.&quot;

My partner and I live near a wonderfully liberal metropolis.  Cost of living, however, puts us in a somewhat-conservative-but-really-more-white-trash-than-we-care-to-admit suburb.  It also puts us closer to &quot;the enemy,&quot; a shadowy idea of a person we have yet to meet.  Sadly, Kati puts a face to that person.

Given our less-than-liberal surroundings, we sometimes overcompensate, trying to prove what stunning parents/neighbors/community members we are.  Who brings two full plates of artfully arranged veggies to snack at school?  We do.  Who&#039;s that working really hard to make our low budget yard look as nice as the landscaped one next door?  My partner.  Who plans to be the world&#039;s most &lt;del&gt;annoying&lt;/del&gt; helpful PTA mom?  That would be me.

What do we hope to achieve through this overcompensation?  We want people to accept our family.  We want Kiddo to have a positive school experience, hopefully free of teasing that might stem from having gay moms.  We want our gayness to be a non-issue, even if that means we&#039;ll get lumped in with all the other boring suburbanites.

But then there are people like Kati.  Who don&#039;t care how well we raise our kids or keep our lawns.  Who believe at their core that our gayness trumps anything else.  Who want to limit our rights to adopt and/or co-parent our children.

Watching the show, I did feel compassion for Kati.  She worried that she wouldn&#039;t be able to hold on to her convictions when surrounded by people who think differently.  She felt isolated and attacked.  It clearly caused her turmoil, meeting admirable people who didn&#039;t fit her preconceived notions.

I was sad about how the show ended.  I hoped that she would have seen the light, if you will.  But she didn&#039;t.

I was reminded of an Amy Ray lyric,  &quot;Tolerance it ain&#039;t acceptance.  I know you want it to be, when you&#039;re out of Laramie.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was disappointed too.  The thing that gets me?  Having to admit to myself that there ARE people out there who can&#8217;t be &#8220;converted.&#8221;</p>
<p>My partner and I live near a wonderfully liberal metropolis.  Cost of living, however, puts us in a somewhat-conservative-but-really-more-white-trash-than-we-care-to-admit suburb.  It also puts us closer to &#8220;the enemy,&#8221; a shadowy idea of a person we have yet to meet.  Sadly, Kati puts a face to that person.</p>
<p>Given our less-than-liberal surroundings, we sometimes overcompensate, trying to prove what stunning parents/neighbors/community members we are.  Who brings two full plates of artfully arranged veggies to snack at school?  We do.  Who&#8217;s that working really hard to make our low budget yard look as nice as the landscaped one next door?  My partner.  Who plans to be the world&#8217;s most <del>annoying</del> helpful PTA mom?  That would be me.</p>
<p>What do we hope to achieve through this overcompensation?  We want people to accept our family.  We want Kiddo to have a positive school experience, hopefully free of teasing that might stem from having gay moms.  We want our gayness to be a non-issue, even if that means we&#8217;ll get lumped in with all the other boring suburbanites.</p>
<p>But then there are people like Kati.  Who don&#8217;t care how well we raise our kids or keep our lawns.  Who believe at their core that our gayness trumps anything else.  Who want to limit our rights to adopt and/or co-parent our children.</p>
<p>Watching the show, I did feel compassion for Kati.  She worried that she wouldn&#8217;t be able to hold on to her convictions when surrounded by people who think differently.  She felt isolated and attacked.  It clearly caused her turmoil, meeting admirable people who didn&#8217;t fit her preconceived notions.</p>
<p>I was sad about how the show ended.  I hoped that she would have seen the light, if you will.  But she didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I was reminded of an Amy Ray lyric,  &#8220;Tolerance it ain&#8217;t acceptance.  I know you want it to be, when you&#8217;re out of Laramie.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got finished watching the 30 Days episode and I agree that it was very sad.  I also thought that it was more realistic, although still disappointing, that Kati&#039;s view didn&#039;t change while she was staying with Tom and Dennis.  For a bit, it seemed like her views might change when she started to say &quot;I think I&#039;m right,&quot; instead of &quot;I know I&#039;m right.&quot;

I think she became upset so often when she was explaining her beliefs because she was experiencing cognitive dissonance.  You can&#039;t say, &quot;I&#039;m okay with you, but I think you&#039;re morally repugnant&quot; to someone&#039;s face and not expect to feel weird about that unless you’re a sociopath.  The fact that she got upset showed that she was processing this, even if the processing didn&#039;t get very far in the 30 days.

She&#039;ll probably never truly understand what a hatemonger she is.  It became clear when she was talking to the lesbian moms that she thinks homosexuality is a choice.  Personally, I don&#039;t understand this type of thinking; or rather, even if it were a choice, it&#039;s okay by me.  So it&#039;s hard for me to see her point of view.

I think Tom (?) got to the heart of the matter when he told Kati that it was one thing for her to have these feelings, but another to act upon them to work for legislation that would prevent gay and lesbian couples from adopting.  That is just straight up legislated hate, and it was so frustrating how she couldn&#039;t understand that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got finished watching the 30 Days episode and I agree that it was very sad.  I also thought that it was more realistic, although still disappointing, that Kati&#8217;s view didn&#8217;t change while she was staying with Tom and Dennis.  For a bit, it seemed like her views might change when she started to say &#8220;I think I&#8217;m right,&#8221; instead of &#8220;I know I&#8217;m right.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think she became upset so often when she was explaining her beliefs because she was experiencing cognitive dissonance.  You can&#8217;t say, &#8220;I&#8217;m okay with you, but I think you&#8217;re morally repugnant&#8221; to someone&#8217;s face and not expect to feel weird about that unless you’re a sociopath.  The fact that she got upset showed that she was processing this, even if the processing didn&#8217;t get very far in the 30 days.</p>
<p>She&#8217;ll probably never truly understand what a hatemonger she is.  It became clear when she was talking to the lesbian moms that she thinks homosexuality is a choice.  Personally, I don&#8217;t understand this type of thinking; or rather, even if it were a choice, it&#8217;s okay by me.  So it&#8217;s hard for me to see her point of view.</p>
<p>I think Tom (?) got to the heart of the matter when he told Kati that it was one thing for her to have these feelings, but another to act upon them to work for legislation that would prevent gay and lesbian couples from adopting.  That is just straight up legislated hate, and it was so frustrating how she couldn&#8217;t understand that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was disturbed watching last nights show, too. I am a SMC to be. I will be TTC with a known donor who I have been friends with for almost 30 years. He is gay and has been with his partner for over 14 years. We have already faced obstacles with the laws in our state re gay sperm donors and known donors. The ACLU would love this one, but we don&#039;t have time for that, so we are lying. My friend is now (for clinic visits) my &quot;boyfriend&quot;.

My feelings about the attitudes of the woman on the show (who, I&#039;m sure, wouldn&#039;t approve of SMC either) go further than the fact that my kid&#039;s dad is gay. We will have an unusual arrangement (although, I think most known donor situations are unique). I will be the sole custodial parent and my friend will not be responsible for support, but we are creating a family. My friend (and his extended family) will be involved in our child&#039;s life, but I will be responsible for all decisions. When we started talking about our arrangement, I did some thinking about how I would feel in his shoes, and the one thing that struck me was, what if something happened to me. So I told him that I felt he deserved an equal say regarding that. That we should be in agreement about custody of the child if something were to happen to me. I was relieved when he told me recently that he discussed this with his partner and that they would want custody under those circumstances. (My family&#039;s nuts, they&#039;re not getting custody!)

If this works (we start in a couple of weeks), my child will have so much love in his/her life! Nothing &quot;wrong&quot; or &quot;sinful&quot; in that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was disturbed watching last nights show, too. I am a SMC to be. I will be TTC with a known donor who I have been friends with for almost 30 years. He is gay and has been with his partner for over 14 years. We have already faced obstacles with the laws in our state re gay sperm donors and known donors. The ACLU would love this one, but we don&#8217;t have time for that, so we are lying. My friend is now (for clinic visits) my &#8220;boyfriend&#8221;.</p>
<p>My feelings about the attitudes of the woman on the show (who, I&#8217;m sure, wouldn&#8217;t approve of SMC either) go further than the fact that my kid&#8217;s dad is gay. We will have an unusual arrangement (although, I think most known donor situations are unique). I will be the sole custodial parent and my friend will not be responsible for support, but we are creating a family. My friend (and his extended family) will be involved in our child&#8217;s life, but I will be responsible for all decisions. When we started talking about our arrangement, I did some thinking about how I would feel in his shoes, and the one thing that struck me was, what if something happened to me. So I told him that I felt he deserved an equal say regarding that. That we should be in agreement about custody of the child if something were to happen to me. I was relieved when he told me recently that he discussed this with his partner and that they would want custody under those circumstances. (My family&#8217;s nuts, they&#8217;re not getting custody!)</p>
<p>If this works (we start in a couple of weeks), my child will have so much love in his/her life! Nothing &#8220;wrong&#8221; or &#8220;sinful&#8221; in that!</p>
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		<title>By: barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree. It was very disappointing. I especially felt for Dennis and Tom. Major props to them. One of the things that really got me was how she kept saying how her views were not meant to be personal. Hello? How can the freedom to love and parent not be the most personal things humans can experience. She was totally ignorant, she made no sense and did not have one bit of intellectual thought in her brain. And the woman they interviewed as an example of growing up in a gay household, the woman obviously grew up with abuse. What an example. And the information from the FRC, where did his stats come from? A real disappointment indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree. It was very disappointing. I especially felt for Dennis and Tom. Major props to them. One of the things that really got me was how she kept saying how her views were not meant to be personal. Hello? How can the freedom to love and parent not be the most personal things humans can experience. She was totally ignorant, she made no sense and did not have one bit of intellectual thought in her brain. And the woman they interviewed as an example of growing up in a gay household, the woman obviously grew up with abuse. What an example. And the information from the FRC, where did his stats come from? A real disappointment indeed!</p>
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